tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:forum-1Nabble - MyMorbic Sail-&-Oar Dinghy UK Network2024-03-29T04:05:12ZPrimarily for the enjoyment and benefit of
<br/>Builders and Owners of the Morbic 12 Sail-&-Oar Dinghy
<br/>Morbic-related Questions and Ideas
<br/><br/><h2><a href="https://mymorbic.uk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" link="external">(For the MyMorbic UK website click here)</a></h2>tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-594A Morbic in Scotland2024-03-16T09:11:10Z2024-03-16T09:11:10ZDavid Atkinson
<b>A trip to gather ideas</b><br/><br/>I had reached the stage in my build where I had turned the hull for the first time and now had to make choices as to how to fit the internals. I had scoured the forum and internet to see what others had done to help me, there was a lot of good ideas and I thought the best way to help me reach a decision was to try and see a good selection of boats and more importantly to meet other owners to hear their thoughts.
<br/><br/>To this end I contacted several owners by email through the forum and was able to set up a trip to meet them driving from Scotland to the Chichester area with a few stops on the way. Thanks to Paul W for helping me with this planning.
<br/><br/>First of all, I would like to thank all those I met for generously sharing their time and advice. I rapidly came to the conclusion that all Morbic owners are nice people. The icing on the cake for me was the opportunity to sail with Graham on Sistership in Chichester harbour. A great opportunity and one that thankfully confirmed that I had started to build the correct dinghy.
<br/><br/>During my trip I saw 8 dinghies (or 8 1/4 if you include Mike’s quarter scale model!), Aura, Bodicca, Half-moon, Proteus, Sistership and Swefn with a further 2 still being built. There was a mix of builds, one professional build, several using Alec Jordan’s kit, one using CNC’d parts and one hand made but in all cases the standard of build and finish was very high. All a real credit to their builder s and the many hours they must have spent building their boats.
<br/><br/>There was a fair range between those that had been built 100% to plan and those who had been modified to suit the owner’s interests and requirements.
<br/><br/>The only common issues that were raised were the construction of the rudder and the boom jaw. There have been reports of problems with the strength of the rudder cheek fixings and most people have added bolts or screws to reinforce the assembly.
<br/><br/>I don’t think I saw any examples where the boom jaw had been used and a rope loop or bleater was used in its place.
<br/><br/>There was a consensus that the buoyancy chambers should not be filled with foam, and some people used empty bottles or plastic balls in the chambers in case the chamber was ruptured.
<br/><br/>There wasn’t strong support for the fixed foot rests and these were absent or replaced by a removable foot rest. Only one person had made a set of oars to Vivier’s design and several people commented that their oars were a bit short but that storing and handling longer oars were difficult. Again most people had used oarlocks rather than thole pins.
<br/><br/>One development in some of the boats was the addition of an extra floor locker, originating on Port-na-Storm’s Sistership. These give extra stowage and an alternative lower seat to the forward thwart.
<br/><br/>Of the 8 dinghies I saw the majority (6) were built for lug sail with only two built to allow sailing as a sloop or lug.
<br/><br/>I saw a few variations in rigging with one boat using a rope traveller and the rest using a block on the centre board case for the main sheet. Some people had added lazyjacks and I saw how these made things easier when raising and lowering the main sail.
<br/><br/>Again with finishing there were differing views on the use of two part finishes, which were felt to provide a hard finish better able to stand up to day to day knocks but were more difficult to touch up in case of damage. Several people advocated the use of oil rather than varnish for the brightwork.
<br/><br/>Finally there was a multitude of small details that people had adopted including, adding floorboards (a lot of work to add and presented a snagging point for the main sheet), slats on the seating (look good but again a lot of work with cushions an alternative idea), small scuppers at the aft corners above the seating to drain water that collects there, additional tie off points for fenders etc.
<br/><br/>In conclusion, my thoughts are to finish my Morbic as a balanced lug for simplicity, I will install the forward thwart as the design but fix it with screws in case I decide to change the layout in the future. I am actively considering using an open mast partner (as in the sloop design) to make it easier to raise and lower the mast. There are also several detailed ideas I saw that I may incorporate depending on how time and motivation go.
<br/><br/>I had a very enjoyable time meeting and discussing things with all the people I met and thanks to them again.
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tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-587Re: Do you pump or bail?2024-02-17T16:37:23Z2024-02-17T18:04:56ZNigel McC
Further to the thread, do you pump or bail
<br/>Yesterday, two of us tested re-entry methods for a capsized Morbic 12. Hugh is in his 60s and fully fit, I’m in my 70s and I am recovering from a broken arm.
<br/><br/> We found:
<br/>1. Neither of us could re-enter using side stirrup fixed amidships. Our feet simply disappear under the boat, the body goes backwards away from the sides and we don’t have the upper body strength to haul in.
<br/>2. A short removable ladder fixed to the transom is feasible re-entry system, but is unlikely to be readily available in a real event capsize, that is in 20 knot winds and in a rough sea state. Where would the ladder be stored? if inside the boat, could we actually reach it and recover it?
<br/>3. The best method was rudder stirrup clipped to a saddle screwed to the rudder stock (see photos). Hugh was able to easily reenter the boat from the water; I struggled with a partially functional arm, but I think I will be able to manage when the arm is fully healed. The step consists of a cord, clip and an aluminium tube; the height can be adjusted in the water. In use, the step is kept in the pocket of the buoyancy aid. You, take it out, clip it to the stock, put your foot on the step, brace against the rudder and heave over the transom.
<br/><br/>We also noted:
<br/>1. The Morbic was dead easy to right.
<br/>2. We couldn’t get the boat to turn turtle – a hollow mast probably helps here.
<br/>3. You can easily lower the centreboard whilst the boat is capsized
<br/>4. The amount of water post capsize is small, about 10 cm.
<br/>5. In the event of a real event capsize, it would be advisable to drop the sails before attempting re-entry from the stern to reduce the probability of the boat sailing away downwind.
<br/>6. And as always, we note it is best to avoid capsize in the first place:) … sail to the conditions and reef early.
<br/><br/><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n587/Bouyancy_aid_with_step.jpg" border="0" alt="Buoyancy aid with step"/><br/><br/><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n587/Step_clipped_to_rudder_stock.jpg" border="0"/>
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-584Re: Outboard model2024-01-28T10:48:00Z2024-01-28T10:48:00ZPortnastorm
Hi,
<br/>You mentioned Mike Curtis' boat Swefn so I thought I'd post a photo of said boat and put in a plug for the DCA at the same time.
<br/><br/><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n584/Backdrop%232Screenshot_2.jpg" border="0"/><br/><br/>You'll see Mike is now using an e-propulsion electric outboard.
<br/>Almost silent, No smell, No Fuel.
<br/><br/>I have recently bought a second-hand Torqueedo from a friend and think it's great.
<br/>I don't have the cut away and it will fight with the rudder if you're not careful.
<br/><br/>They are much more powerful than the cheaper trolling motors and don't require big lead acid batteries but they are expensive compared to a petrol o/b, everything's a compromise.
<br/><br/>The graphic is for one of our backdrops at the RYA Dinghy Show 24-25 Feb.
<br/>This year we are focusing on Women Skippers with three of our intrepid ladies showing off their boats.
<br/>No Morbics I'm afraid, maybe next year.
<br/>Come and say hi if you are at the show.
<br/>Regards
<br/>Graham.
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tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-583Re: Outboard model2024-01-28T07:28:57Z2024-01-28T07:28:57ZPaulW
Re. Shaft length.
<br/>RP (Proteus' co-owner) said; "<i>since we only use an electric outboard and that very rarely I'm not sure it'll be much help</i>" and; "<i>with an electric outboard, the shaft length is variable easily, not so with a regular outboard, so I don't know which length is best</i>".
<br/>Electric is the way forward?
<br/><br/>(Interesting reading about Mahurangi, thanks.)
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tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-582Re: Outboard model2024-01-28T00:16:50Z2024-01-28T00:16:50ZNigel McC
Further thoughts on outboards on the Morbic.
<br/><br/>We spent the weekend in the Mahurangi estuary, motoring down from Warkworth (-36.4º S, 174.7ºE) to the entrance to watch the start of the old gaffers race in the Mahurangi regatta (<a href="https://www.mahurangi.org.nz/2024/01/21/mahurangi-regatta-programme-2024/" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://www.mahurangi.org.nz/2024/01/21/mahurangi-regatta-programme-2024/</a>). We followed the flood back beating back against the wind in a fresh breeze until the start of the narrows.
<br/><br/>The Mahurangi is a 12 km estuary that, for the first four, runs through a narrow channel between dense mangrove beds. There are herons, plovers, Kaka flying over head, it is remote and mysterious.
<br/><br/>The tidal stream is about a knot, but the wind inevitably blows against desired direction of travel. Hence an outboard means the difference between camping in the mangroves or reaching the ramp before the low tide mud stymies retrieval.
<br/><br/>I have a short shaft Suzuki 2.5 hp. Mike (Swefn) tells me his short shaft Honda is mounted in a six cm cut out on the transom. With the boat empty, the motor is too high but it is just deep enough with one or two aboard.
<br/><br/>Similarly, I found that if I lifted the rudder stock and mounted the outboard in the tiller cut out, then with two persons on board, the prop and exhaust were well below water, and steering was effective with the outboard alone.
<br/><br/>On the return journey (against a fresh breeze) I tried mounting the motor to starboard of the tiller slot with the rudder in place; if I sat towards the stern, the prop and exhaust were just below water level. But when I turned quickly to avoid a mud bank, coming into a very muddy ramp, the prop struck the rudder blade.
<br/><br/>The resulting ricochet broke the mounting pad, the motor almost popped off the transom into the mud, and the prop struck and sheared off drain plug cap. Just as well that happened as we were coming into the ramp as by the time I had fetched the trailer, there were about 4 cms of very muddy water in the bilges.
<br/><br/>Even from a non-purist point of view, the motor presents other negative issues. First, when tilted, the cowling is almost 40 cm above the top of the transom. I run the main sheet through a rope horse above the transom, so there is an additional risk of the main sheet catching under the motor. I like the sheet set up, since I think it gives me more control over sail shape. But if I were to use the motor frequently, then I would shift the main sheet to the centre of the boom.
<br/><br/>Second, it almost inevitably means carrying fuel.
<br/><br/>And third, I just don’t like the noise. Even at low revs and with a relatively quiet motor, you can’t talk to your companion, listen to bird song, and hear the poetry of the waves. And are not those reasons we enjoy dinghy sailing?
<br/><br/>So I shall keep the motor, but for restricted and hopefully rare use.
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tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-581Re: Outboard model2024-01-23T01:44:58Z2024-01-23T01:44:58ZPaulW
Who can help Nigel with this? (My knowledge of the topic is too shallow to be useful)
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-578Handicap / Rating for Morbics?2024-01-03T02:13:11Z2024-01-03T02:13:11ZPaulW
Does anyone race their Morbic or know if there is a PY* or other racing handicap for them?
<br/><br/>Reading Sailing Club rated Proteus at PY 1400 (seems a bit harsh?).
<br/>Falmouth Classics dimensionally calculated OGA (TCHF) handicap for Proteus 0.7467.
<br/>There doesn't seem to be anything definitive on RYA website. Unsurprising? Morbic is probably not considered a racer!
<br/><br/>*(PY = <a href="https://www.rya.org.uk/racing/technical/handicap-systems" target=blank rel="nofollow" link="external">Portsmouth Yardstick</a>)
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tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-577Outboard model2023-12-27T15:47:24Z2023-12-27T15:47:24ZNigel McC
I do have an 2hp Suzuki outboard ... though I don't usually us it on my Morbic – Taranui. I can foresee circumstances when I will use a motor, but it is a short shaft (15") so I will have to take off the rudder for the prop to submerge.
<br/>Does anyone use an outboard? If so, what model, and shaft length? And if a short shaft, how do you lower the attachment clamp?
<br/>Of is it easier to give up and buy a long shaft (20")?
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tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-576Morbic 12 building jig2023-12-15T07:43:23Z2023-12-15T07:43:23ZJon Dykes
Hi All
<br/><br/>I have a complete building jig available free to any
<br/>one interested. Collection from South Devon.
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-574Re: Beaching Morbic 122023-12-07T00:32:15Z2023-12-07T00:32:15ZAlison
Hi Nigel
<br/>Thanks very much for this. I had not considered the option of independent CNC’ing of the wood.
<br/>Presumably, Monsieur Vivier’s files also specify the required characteristics of the wood?
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-573Re: Beaching Morbic 122023-12-06T20:56:17Z2023-12-06T20:56:17ZNigel McC
Hi
<br/>I bought the CNC files from Monsieur Vivier, which worked really well. The building jig and the planks fitted together just like Lego. It took about 250 hours all up.
<br/> I think I'm fortunate in that I have a friend who has a CNC cutting machine otherwise you have to find a company who will cut the panels for you, and this can be quite expensive. However it's worth costing out and comparing with the kit price.
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-571Re: Sleeping aboard??2023-11-30T12:22:41Z2023-11-30T12:22:41ZDaryl Foster
Hi Paul,
<br/>yes many thanks fo the e mails, all very helpful info, I'm still mulling over whether I need to go a bit bigger but I'll keep you posted if I start in on the Morbic!
<br/>all the best, Daryl
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-570Re: Sleeping aboard??2023-11-29T06:14:02Z2023-11-29T06:14:02ZPaulW
Hi Daryl. (Sorry to be slow posting this - you've seen my emails)
<br/><br/>IMHO Morbic enables comfortable camping for one person. Two people would need to be “very good friends”.
<br/>Made a boom tent template from some scrap marquee material. Sketched out a system for dual purpose deck-boards/one-person sleeping platform. Project postponed. Pictures & sketch available if you'd like them.
<br/><br/>IIRC there are several postings on our Forum about boom tents, camping, etc. Let me know if you cant find them
<br/><br/>Other sources
<br/>Check <a href="http://uk-hbbr-forum.61.s1.nabble.com/"Target=blank rel="nofollow" link="external">UKHBBR forum</a>.
<br/><br/>Yes, Ilur is more spacious, but at the cost of being bigger (no surprise), costlier (and longer?) to build, needs more space in workshop, heavier (e.g. to launch and retrieve), needs bigger trailer, maybe stronger towing vehicle. Roger Barnes of course makes it look very easy to handle afloat and on the slipway!
<br/>You’ve probably seen <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11QNTauHk14"target=blank rel="nofollow" link="external">Mary Dooly has a Mirror with tent</a>. Could be worth doing it the same way?
<br/><br/>Good luck.
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-568Re: Beaching Morbic 122023-11-28T14:36:51Z2023-11-28T14:36:51ZPaulW
Hi Alison
<br/>Exchanging emails with you we’ve hit a few topics but they’re included here for the benefit of other forum members.
<br/><b>OTHER MORBIC-LOVERS</b>, please input your own experience.
<br/><br/><b>Beaching</b> – No problem; just avoid rocks and sharp objects. Click on any of these pics.
<br/><a href="https://mymorbic.uk/Pics/FiveMorbicsClywedogAug2012P8084750.jpg" target=blank rel="nofollow" link="external"><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n568/FiveMorbicsClywedogAug2012P8084750.jpg" border="0"
alt="Five Morbics, Clywedog, August 2021"/></a> . <a href="https://mymorbic.uk/Pics/ProteusMorbihan20230517_100140.jpg" target=blank rel="nofollow" link="external"><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n568/ProteusMorbihan20230517_100140.jpg" border="0" alt="Proteus Morbihan 2023"/></a> . <a href="https://mymorbic.uk/Pics/Pembs201206DSCF4767.jpg" target=blank rel="nofollow" link="external"><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n568/Pembs201206DSCF4767.jpg" border="0" alt="Proteus, Pembs, June 2012"/></a> . <a href="https://mymorbic.uk/Pics/Pembs20210615_101934.jpg" target=blank rel="nofollow" link="external"><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n568/Pembs20210615_101934.jpg" border="0" alt="Proteus, Newport Pembs June 2021"/></a> .
<br/>Morbics beached in a range of situations.
<br/><br/><b>Hauling up for overnight camping</b> – You’re aware Morbic is not light - that is one of its benefits. Even so, 2 people can just lift one with full rig and some kit – I currently (post-surgery) lift one end briefly. Rolling onto sausage-fenders could be a way to get up a beach when away from home.
<br/><b>ANY MORBIC_LOVERS TRIED IT</b>?
<br/><br/><b>Hull protection</b> –
<br/>Left - Extra rubbing strakes (wood) have been added to this Morbic. (Courtesy "Port-Na-Storm")
<br/>Right - Extra brass rubbing strips either side of the CB case, ("Proteus").
<br/><a href="https://mymorbic.uk/Pics/Port-Na-Storm DSC_0503 1Cr.jpg" target=blank rel="nofollow" link="external"><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n568/Port-Na-Storm_DSC_0503_1Cr.jpg" border="0" alt="Sacrificial(?) wood rubbing strake added to hull"/></a> . <a href="https://mymorbic.uk/Pics/ProteusKeelBand1 P8134438.jpg" target=blank rel="nofollow" link="external"><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n568/ProteusKeelBand1_P8134438Sh.jpg" border="0" alt="Extra Keel-Bands either side of CB slot"/></a><br/>Two-Pack poly is tough enough to survive moderate knocks.
<br/><br/><b>Camping</b> – Are two people (and dog) going to sleep aboard? Could you leave Morbic afloat and pitch tent ashore? (I’ve started on a boom tent for solo camping.)
<br/><br/><b>Launching trolleys and Combination trailers</b> - More pics to click!
<br/><br/><a href="https://mymorbic.uk/Pics/TrailerIMG_20200827Adj.jpg" target=blank rel="nofollow" link="external"><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n568/TrailerIMG_20200827Adj.jpg" border="0" alt="Combination Trolley/Trailer"/></a> . <a href="https://mymorbic.uk/Pics/ThreeMorbicTrolleysRP DSCF4678.jpg" target=blank rel="nofollow" link="external"><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n568/ThreeMorbicTrolleysRP_DSCF4678.jpg" border="0" alt="Three Morbics on Launching Trolleys"/></a><br/><b>A member may know of a trolley &/or trailer for sale</b> – otherwise try <a href="http://www.admiraltrailers.co.uk/" target=blank rel="nofollow" link="external">Admiral</a>; several Morbic owners have and recommend them. Not the cheapest but very well engineered and with better suspension than average.
<br/><br/>You’ve sailed Mirror and Drascombe Dabber. In a “race” I sometimes beat a plastic Mirror! At least one of our members races his Morbic.
<br/><b>JOHN S – YOUR CUE!</b><br/><br/><b>Building from kit</b>. Morbic is a great boat for beginner-builders and experts. Alec Jordan is the obvious source of your kit. Some people have friends with CNC cutters, and others have cut their own – Rather them than me!
<br/>You may need to source your hardwood and spars elsewhere – We did.
<br/>You’re also looking at Stornaway 12 – I have no knowledge of it. You suspect Morbic is the superior boat, and you want “Gentle, relaxing, easy cruising”. We find Morbic fits that spec perfectly - Been known to spend 10 hours aboard.
<br/><br/>Your self-introduction triggered a few questions which are answered there ><a href="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/Please-Introduce-yourself-here-tp5p565.html" target=blank rel="nofollow" link="external"> Click </a><.
<br/><br/>There is an impressive wealth of Morbic experience amongst the members, so please ask anything you like - but maybe first try the searchers on the forum, and the UK Morbic website.
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-566Beaching Morbic 122023-11-27T06:10:27Z2023-11-27T06:10:27ZAlison
I would welcome any comments on the manoeuvrability of a Morbic 12 in the absence of a trailer or launching trolley including the possibility of hauling a Morbic 12 from the water onto a beach.
<br/>I am seriously considering a Morbic 12 build but wondering whether, at 100 + Kg, it would be too heavy for our purposes. (We are a couple; average strength).
<br/>Also, if anyone has any reflections regarding what a potential Morbic builder / owner should be aware of before committing they would be very much appreciated too.
<br/>Thank you
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-562Sleeping aboard??2023-11-16T04:56:54Z2023-11-16T04:56:54ZDaryl Foster
Have any of you intrepid morbic owners slept aboard? and if so how did it work out? I have yet to build mine having sat on the plans for about ten months (I bought a CLC Skerry that became available locally so the Morbic went on the back burner) Now though considering it again, but I feel being able to camp aboard is probably going to be one of my must haves so trying to decide whether I should go bigger ie Ilur, be interested to hear any views on whether sleeping aboard a morbic is a (albeit uncomfortable) possibility.
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-557Morbic 12 boats - For Sale &/or Wanted.2023-09-23T01:08:26Z2023-09-23T01:08:26ZPaulW
This section is only for Selling and Buying MORBIC-12 BOATS.
<br/>Components, materials, chandlery, sails, trailers, tools, etc. are in another topic.
<br/><br/>Most Morbic owners fall in love with them forever, so they rarely come on the market.
<br/>One UK Morbic changed hands in 2021 due to the owner's retirement/house move, so you might be lucky.
<br/><br/>No Commercial ads please.
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-556Re: A Morbic in Wales2023-09-14T13:17:28Z2023-09-14T23:28:29ZPaulbrooks
Thanks PaulW
<br/><br/>Will let you all know when I head south
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-555Re: A Morbic in Wales2023-09-12T14:24:18Z2023-09-12T14:24:18ZPaulW
Nice work Paul B. Another beauty afloat! Some nice touches evident in the pics.
<br/>Congratulations on building from plan not kit.
<br/>Number 109 isn't she?
<br/>(Table of "Known UK Morbics" updated today)
<br/>Maybe we could encourage a gathering of Morbics when you are in the Chichester area. Keep us posted.
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-554Re: A Morbic in Wales2023-09-06T08:50:51Z2023-09-06T08:50:51ZPaulbrooks
Hi Carlos. Thanks
<br/>Your boat looks v good too! I like the extra boom length you’ve got. Over the winter, I think I’ll make a new longer one too.
<br/>Paul
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-553Re: A Morbic in Wales2023-09-05T05:07:32Z2023-09-05T05:07:32Zmagaliatres
Really beautiful boat. Congratulations!!
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-552Re: A Morbic in Wales2023-09-04T09:08:10Z2023-09-04T09:08:10ZPaulbrooks
Thanks.
<br/>I’ll be taking her to Dell Quay in the New Year, so hopefully meet up with a few of you in Chichester Harbour at some point
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-551Re: A Morbic in Wales2023-09-03T14:13:53Z2023-09-03T14:13:53ZPortnastorm
She looks great, very nicely fitted out, well done.
<br/>Graham.
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tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-550A Morbic in Wales2023-09-03T00:47:06Z2023-09-03T00:47:06ZPaulbrooks
At long last I launched my Morbic - Half Moon
<br/>Very little wind but we glided along quite nicely!
<br/><br/><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n550/IMG_4113.jpeg" border="0"/><br/><br/><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n550/IMG_4114.jpeg" border="0"/><br/><img src="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/file/n550/IMG_3854.jpeg" border="0"/>
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-549Re: A morbic 12 in the bay of biscay2023-08-26T06:47:13Z2023-08-26T14:04:17Zmagaliatres
Hi paul, I ordered the sail from one of the lofts suggested in Ms. Vivier book, Voilierie Rochard directly from Viviers drawings and it is specified to have eyelets in the foot of the sail. Nevertheless I had not laced the sail to the boom as I also prefer to have it set unlaced as it is easier to use the outhaul to give more or less depth to the bottom part of the sail.
<br/>My next task is to set up a reefing system. So far I think I will try to keep it as simple as possible: a snap hook laced to the boom end and some loops or softshackles in the tack eyelets, and have a snap hook fitted to the the outhaul purchase to the get the sail foot tensioned.
<br/>I deliverately have made my boom 25 cm longer than specified to try end boom sheeting as well as mid boom sheeting with two blocks or a bridle. I love to play with sail systems.
<br/>Best regards,
<br/>Carlos Herrán
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tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-548Re: A morbic 12 in the bay of biscay2023-08-25T07:06:00Z2023-08-25T07:06:00ZPaulW
Question - Is your sail laced to the boom?
<br/>Reason - We believe we've improved performance by unlacing from the boom.
<br/>Method - Keep the boom. Unlace the sail from it. Retain the forward lashing. Add; (i) a Clew strap which must be able to slide on the boom (to keep the clew close to the boom); (ii) an adjustable outhaul (to optimise in varying wind strengths); (iii) a boom bridle for the mainsheet, unless you have at least two mainsheet blocks spaced along the boom (to reduce the bending load on the boom which would otherwise be imposed by a single downward pull near the centre).
<br/>Ideally the sail would have been cut for the purpose, though ours wasn't.
<br/>We have incorporated a toggle system for when reefing the clew.
<br/>(Maybe pics available if required).
<br/>Paul W
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tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-547Re: A morbic 12 in the bay of biscay2023-08-24T06:45:59Z2023-08-24T06:45:59Zmagaliatres
Hi Graham and Paul, thanks for your kind words. Yesterday I had my first real sail test and I agree it is not a fast rocket but not that slow either! It takes time to get to know a boat to take her to her to move along.The lug sail is new to me and although from outside of the boat it may seem small, from inside that square piece of canvas fells quite powerful. The tricky part so far has been the launching from the trolley single handed and specially getting her back on the trolley and up the ramp. May it be that I’m not that young anymore? Impossible…
<br/>Best regards,
<br/>Carlos Herrán
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tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-546Re: Epoxy Impregnation When to do it and when not?2023-08-24T06:32:44Z2023-08-24T06:32:44Zmagaliatres
Hi Sebastian, following Ms. Vivier advise I didn’t impregnated the strakes with epoxy. I applied 3 coats of epifanes epoxy primer and 2 coats of epifanes poly urethane yatch coating and it looks very solid, it makes a nice film from the first coat, and although I can not talk from experience I certainly expect it to stand up well. For the brightwork I applied 7 coats of epifanes rapidclear and the end result looks very good although obviously not as strong as the paint system. One thing that has bothered me a little bit is that when I applied the first coat of varnish on the iroko thwarts it took a long time to cure, more than expected from the technical specification expected time of 6 hours, probably around 3 or 4 days.
<br/><br/>Best regards,
<br/>Carlos Herrán
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-545Re: A morbic 12 in the bay of biscay2023-08-24T00:34:53Z2023-08-24T00:34:53ZPaulW
Brilliant Carlos!
<br/>Another beautiful boat afloat - You'll find she is not fast but great fun to sail, and comfortable at sea. (On the lake we've even had several people aboard.)
<br/>May we quote you on the website? - "<i>The quality of Mr Vivier's design is very high, ..... etc .... in a modern way</i>".
<br/>Stay in touch.
<br/>Paul W
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-544Re: A morbic 12 in the bay of biscay2023-08-23T09:45:45Z2023-08-23T09:45:45ZPortnastorm
Congratulations Carlos,
<br/>Well Done.
<br/>I hope you have many enjoyable sails in her.
<br/>Regards Graham.
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tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-543Re: Epoxy Impregnation When to do it and when not?2023-08-23T08:41:33Z2023-08-23T08:41:33Zpampero
Gracias Carlos,
<br/>I appreciate you sharing this information, it is very useful. I understand that the best alternative would be the epoxy primer when applying paint.
<br/>Thanks !!
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-542Re: A morbic 12 in the bay of biscay2023-08-23T06:31:47Z2023-08-23T06:31:47Zmagaliatres
Hi, yesterday after nine months since I started building the morbic 12 design we had a small launching party at our local harbor sailing school, where she will be kept. It has been a very nice construction time, and I have enjoyed it a lot. The quality of Ms. Vivier design is very high, and not difficult for anyone with some wood working skills. I would recommend it to anyone interested in building a traditional styled boat in a modern way. n fact I have ordered the Minahouet study plans, which i see as the closest to the morbic 12 but with one more meter overall…
<br/><br/>Cheers, carlos herrán
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tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-541Re: Epoxy Impregnation When to do it and when not?2023-08-23T06:09:24Z2023-08-23T06:09:24Zmagaliatres
Hi, I asked Ms. Vivier if an epoxy coat is recommended over the entire hull and his advise was the following:
<br/><br/><br/>I am not fully convinced about the West Systel theory of encapsulation with several layers of epoxy. It was certainly a very interesting approach when they developed this system, but today we have other existing products.
<br/>If you intend to varnish the hull planking or other parts of the boat, applying epoxy resin is still a good way before the application of varnish. However, I will limit the number of coats of epoxy. The aim is to wet the wood with the resin but not to get a thick and hard surface which needs a difficult sanding before applying varnish. The resin may be applied with a squeegee instead of a brush. My best choice for varnish is Epifanes rapid-clear, about 8 layers followed by a last coat of Epifanes clear varnish.
<br/>If you intend to paint, epoxy is not required, except for the edges of the plywood parts and the end grain of timber parts. When the boat is assembled, you may coat it with a two parts epoxy primer. This product is very different from epoxy resin. It looks like paint (generally white or grey). It is thick to cover all surface defects and easy to sand, which is not at all the case with epoxy resin. Then you may apply the finishing paint of your choice.
<br/><br/>Hope this is useful for you.
<br/><br/>Best regards,
<br/>Carlos Herrán
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tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-540Re: Epoxy Impregnation When to do it and when not?2023-08-21T12:05:45Z2023-08-21T12:05:45ZPaulW
Hi Sebastian.
<br/>This is a topic which has vexed many builders, not only within the Morbic fraternity, and exposed varying opinions.
<br/>See here <a href="https://forum.mymorbic.uk/Why-mask-the-gluing-surfaces-td428.html"target = blank rel="nofollow" link="external">https://forum.mymorbic.uk/Why-mask-the-gluing-surfaces-td428.html</a> for some discussion and links to other resources and opinions.
<br/>Hopefully other forum members will add their views.
<br/>Paul W
tag:forum.mymorbic.uk,2006:post-539Epoxy Impregnation When to do it and when not?2023-08-21T08:04:29Z2023-08-21T08:04:29Zpampero
In Sheet 05 François Vivier explains that Impregnation it's highly recommended: For all parts of plywood, particularly "okoume,"...
<br/>Q1: Should we impregnate everything including the Strakes?
<br/>Q2: How many hands do we give them?
<br/>Q3 Sanding between hands, Can be avoided?
<br/>Q4: If we impregnate the strakes, do we run the risk of having a deficient two-step bonding?
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